A representation of a Maenad, or follower of Bacchus (I'll explain the connection in class.)1. Amata, her mother, kidnaps Lavinia in order to get her together with Turnus. She dresses up the kidnapping in an activity that could be seen as being legitimate. Can you explain Amata's plan, in your own words?
2. In some ways it is not very pleasant up in the hills with her mother and her mother's women and other women: find an example of unpleasantness.
3. It could be said that Lavinia acts wisely and is able to escape because of how she acts. True or false? Explain.
4. It could be said that Maruna acts heroically and skillfully in this reading. True or false? Explain.
2. In some ways it is not very pleasant up in the hills with her mother and her mother's women and other women: find an example of unpleasantness.
3. It could be said that Lavinia acts wisely and is able to escape because of how she acts. True or false? Explain.
4. It could be said that Maruna acts heroically and skillfully in this reading. True or false? Explain.
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Sang Eun
2. In some ways it is not very pleasant up in the hills with her mother and her mother's women and other women: find an example of unpleasantness.
The example of unpleasantness:
I got up at the first hint of light. Seeing Amata asleep at last amon her women, I slipped away towards the dell we had been using as a place to piss, and for a moment I thought I could simply walk on - but just past the dell, Gaia was standing on guard, leaning on a naked sword as if it were a cane. She greeted me loudly, with a stupid smile. She was a sweeper, not quite right in her wits; she was devoted to my mother, as were many of these women. If Amata had told her not to let me pass, she would not let me pass. Amata was not a particularly kind mistress, she showed little affection, but she was not stingy, not cruel, and did not play play favorites: that was more than enough to win loyalty.
Lavinia wouldn't have felt comfortable being with her mother's women, because the women are loyal to her mother, not Lavinia even though she is a princess. Therefore, Lavinia feels relief when she finds Maruna.
1. Amata, her mother, kidnaps Lavinia in order to get her together with Turnus. She dresses up the kidnapping in an activity that could be seen as being legitimate. Can you explain Amata's plan, in your own words?
Lavinia's mother Amata tries to get Lavinia out of the marriage that her father made for her. But, Lavinia's father has a strong mind of making Lavinia get married to the man that the oracle chose. So, Amata thinks of plans to make Lavinia get married to Turnus. She woke Lavinia up during the night and told her that they are going to have a festival on top of the hill and she takes Lavinia on a trip. Just before the day, that she planned Trunus and Lavinia's wedding she tells Lavinia the whole plan. Amata kidnaps her daughter by telling her that they are going to have a woman only festival and takes her to the hills and tries to make her get married to Trunus.
4. It could be said that Maruna acts heroically and skillfully in this reading. True or false?
I think that's true. Maruna help Lavinia escape from a situation that should not have been happening. If Lavinia was to actually marry Turnus, the plan of the poet would fall apart. Lavinia has to marry Aeneas! However, Maruna doesn't know about the poet. If Lavinia were to marry Turnus, who knows what would happen! The friendship that needed to be established between Aeneas and Laviticus would not be made, and then the war would probably have a different ending result.
For Maruna to even go to the women's festival, she was risking herself to Lavinia's mother. If Amata had known that she and Lavinia were so close, she would not have allowed it. She would have taken Maruna's presence as a threat to her master plan. Maruna was risking her possition in the king's house.
Then, she risked herself again to help Lavinia actually escape. What will Amata do when she finds that her plan is finished and Maruna is the reason? On page 112 it says, "...Maruna appeared beside me for a moment. 'Tonight?' she murmured, and I nodded, not loking at her; she whispered, 'Owl,' and wasd gone again," and Maruna takes the first dangerous steps to helping Lavinia escape from her mother's clutches and a potential marriage that will ruin her future and potentially her kingdom's future, too.
Maruna may get into a lot of trouble for helping Lavinia escape. In a way, this was Amata's last chance to get Lavinia to marry Turnus, and now it's over, gone, and ruined... All because of Maruna's courage. She will have to be brave to face the queen. I'm afraid she'll be hurt if not killed. Amata scares me!
Ka Yeon Nam
Question 2
In some ways it is not very pleasant up in the hills with her mother and her mother's women and other women: find an example of unpleasantness.
" My mother had brought non of my women up here to the hills, only her women; and for all her wild gaiety and seeming abandon, she never let me out of her sight. I was very glad when I saw, among the last group of newcomers, Maruna."
This is an example of unpleasantness that Lavinia feels when going up to the hill. Lavina does not get to go with any of her women but only her mother's women and her mother, which is unconfortable for Lavinia. Also, having her mother and her women watching her all the times, it is like giving Lavina no privacy and she can feel like her mother is spying on her. She also shows relief when she sees Maruna, which tells that she it was unpleasant to spend time with her mother's women.
3. It could be said that Lavinia acts wisely and is able to escape because of how she acts. True or false? Explain.
True. I believe that Lavinia acts wisely from her mother's kidnap because first of all, she escaped. This shows that she was very careful of her actions and that she was waiting for the right time to escape. Also, through out the story, she waits for the right time and she also waits a few days to examine what is happening and to find out when the women sleep. It is true that the day that she escaped, she was lucky because the servants were sleeping, however I believe that is just one of the source that helped her escape. ( Maruna also helped Lavinia to escape.)
2. In some ways it is not very pleasant up in the hills with her mother and her mother's women and other women: find an example of unpleasantness.
"She kept me by her all night. I had to sleep close to her and the group of woman she was drinking and gambling with, on the light of their lamps fixed on low branches. I slept only in snatches all night long, waking up always with a start, my mind racing."pg 109
This shows the unpleasant feeling that Lavinia receives when she is with her mother, Amata and her women. She would have to keep close to her mother everywhere she went and if her mother was unavailable, her other women would watch Lavinia closely. Although, this was supposed to be a place for women to break free, relax and enjoy a life other then their worrisome lives at home, this did not at all apply to Lavinia. She was constantly watched...awaiting for Turnus, a man who she did not wish to marry and would even be going against her father's will. There was no way for Lavinia to escape because guards surrounded the area, making sure Lavinia was not to escape. There was a little range of ages of women, either very old, or infants. This gave Lavinia no freedom to discuss anything with anyone. The only break of her mother was to talk to her drunken and gambling friends, which was not liked by Lavinia. She was also very stressed out that she wakes up every night, worrying unable to sleep.
3. It could be said that Lavinia acts wisely and is able to escape because of how she acts. True or false? Explain.
False, I don't think Lavinia acts wisely at all. She knew her mother fealt strongly about her marrying Latinus and that her mother had in a way lost her sense of reality so the fact that Lavinia thought her mother wasn't going to follow through with her idea isn't very realistic either. Maybe Lavinia could have told one of the towns women who were escaping to send word to her father about the plan.
True, Lavinia stayed quite so as not to awaken the rage that is so ready and willing to burst out of her mother at any moment. She knows frompast experiences her mother can get physicaly violent and can be very scary. Lavinia also left instead of stayingto play it safe.
Question 2:
In some ways it is not very pleasant up in the hills with her mother and her mother's women and other women: find an example of unpleasantness.
Answer:
"My mother had brought none of my women up to the hills, only her women; and for all her wild gaiety and seeming abandon, she never let me out of her sight."
This is an example of unpleasantness because in this part, Lavinia is speaking about how shes always being watched, doesn't have her freedom and deserves more independence.
1. Amata, her mother, kidnaps Lavinia in order to get her together with Turnus. She dresses up the kidnapping in an activity that could be seen as being legitimate. Can you explain Amata's plan, in your own words?
Lavinia's dad really wants her to get married to Turnus. So he tells Lavinia's mother to set the plan even though she does not want them to get married. So as he wishes, she wakes Lavinia in the middle of the night to go up the hill by saying there will be a festival for all women, and tried to get them married.
Heather Rhee
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Amata hears that her husband will make the decision about Lavinia's marriage by asking the oracle. Even though the guy is a stranger, Lavinia and her dad believes that it will be all right. However, Amata did not agreed. Amata wakes Lavinia up at night with her slave womens. She and her slaves who were wearing their ceremonial clothes on told Lavinia that there will be a festival.
"this is the Goat Feast, the Fig Feast! ..."
It was a festival for women and some of the women started to encorage Lavinia's love and fidelity to Turnus. Lavinia knew that she had no love at all for Turnus and she wanted to obey her father but she was not able to tell it.
Amata comes back to Lavinia and tell Lavinia about the wedding night which she planed. Yes! Amata was planning a wedding! She sent a messenger to Turnus to bring him to the place. She also allowed Turnus as the one and only man who can enjoy the festival.
Lavinia was shocked about the fact that Turnus might come.
The kidnap seemed like it was a legitimate thing to do because Amata pretended to have a festival and Lavinia was the one who came out by herself without being forced by others.
2. In some ways it is not very pleasant up in the hills with her mother and her mother's women and other women: find an example of unpleasantness.
"So the day began with drinking, and by noon some of the women were too drunk to dance; they laughed and screeched and vomitted and fell over and slept where they fell."
This is an example of how the hills were not very pleasant. It just sounds like an uncontrolled party and the people are bouncing off the walls and doing what ever they please. It actually sounds pretty gross, with the vomiting and everything, I'm not sure I would want to be there myself. Lavinia must have been in complete misery because this is not something she is into. Getting drunk and partying aren't the things she would like to be doing with her time. The ladies sound completely out of control, maybe too much out of control, that it wouldn't be any fun being there.
1. Amata, her mother, kidnaps Lavinia in order to get her together with Turnus. She dresses up the kidnapping in an activity that could be seen as being legitimate. Can you explain Amata's plan, in your own words?
I'm so sorry, but my entire post was just erased. Ugh.
Moving on--
Amata wakes her daughter, Lavinia, in the middle of the night to tell her to come worship at a "goat feast" of some sort. This is obviously not the case, as the author has exhibited over and over throughout the book: Amata always has an alterior motive: she often goes so far as to wake her daughter up in the middle of the night to tell her to go to a goat feast. She can even make an abduction seem innocent.
2. In some ways it is not very pleasant up in the hills with her mother and her mother's women and other women: find an example of unpleasantness.
- There are several quotes about Lavinia's unpleasantness. It says "Their indignation and kindness were real and touching, and yet as unreal as all the rest of this escape, this mistake." She thinks that this is a mistake and feels not too pleasant about it. Also in page 109, it says "I slept only in snatches all night log, waking up always with a start, my mind racing." She had to sleep close beside her mother and the group of women. She couldn't sleep well beside her mother and because of worries about the things that are going to happen the next day. We can notice the unpleasantness of Lavinia in these quotes.
Answer to #3:
"I played the part of the meek voiceless maiden all through this masquerade up the hills. I could not bring myself to tell these sympathetic maidens that I had no love at all for Turnus..."
I believe that in fact, yes, Lavinia did act wisely throughout the whole ordeal. She waited every night, waiting for just the right moment to escape. With Maruna as her quite companion, they both managed to stealthily escape. This was very difficult, as Amata and several women guards were keeping a close eye on Lavinia.
2. In some ways it is not very pleasant up in the hills with her mother and her mother's women and other women: find an example of unpleasantness.
"So the day began with drinking and by noon some of the women were too drunk to dance; they laughed and screeched and vomited and fell over and slept where they fell."
"...the older women tried to catch the younger ones and whip them with fig branches, shouting out crude joking songs about men's penises and women's vulvas..."
"They hung about me to commiserate, and pet me, and enourage me in my love and fidelity to Turnus of Ardea."
"I could not bring myself to tell these sympathetic matrons that I had no love at all for Turnus and wanted only to obey my father and the oracle."
"My mother had brought none of my women up here to the hills, only her women..."
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