Aeneas and one of his best friends, the younger Achates, travelling, encounter Venus, who always supports Aeneas
1. Ascanius, Aeneas' son, features in this reading on p. 132 and 135. What do you think of his behavior and words? Why?
2. Generally, do the Trojans behave badly or well in this reading? Explain.
3. How are Turnus's actions in this reading typical of Turnus?
4. Rufus Anso is wounded and brought into the courtyard of the king's palace which is being used as a hospital. Why might the author have included the Rufus Anso part (133)?
5. Generally, does Amata, Lavinia's mother, act well or badly during the time covered in this reading?
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Answer to #1:
"Distressed over the loss of the ships, craving his father's presence and support, Ascanius sent the pair out heaped with praise and promises."
I think that Ascanius is somewhat cowardly, hesitant, and always needs the support of his father. As demonstrated in the above passage, Ascancius is worried about his father, and needs reassurance, so he sends the two men to find him, a foolish act. In general his actions and words indicate a sense of an unsure and uneasy mind. Although he does create a good defense against the Latins, he never seems assured by his mostly wise decisions.
Generally, do the Trojans behave badly or well in this reading? Explain.
They behave well. Although they are being attacked by the people of Lavinia's kingdom, they do not fight back except to protect themselves. They only put up a defense. They put the orders of Aeneas, their leader, before their own feelings for want of battle.
On pages 132-133 it's described as, "The older men among the Trojans, veterans of the ten-year seige of Troy, managed a fierce and skillful defense. Young Ascanius was wild to make sally and chase the Latins off, but Aeneas had left orders that if attacked they were not to attack. The captains he left in charge followed those orders, though it was hard to restrain the young Trojans when the Latins began to taunt them as cowards hiding behind their ramparts."
Wow, thatm was a long quote. I'll summarize. The Latins attack and although Aeneas's son wants to fight back savagely, Aeneas left order ntoto attack in return. the captain Aeneas left in charge remember Aeneas's orders and do not follow Ascanius.
I think that the Trojans behave very very well. It says that it was hard to restrain the young men from attacking the Latins when they taunt them, but that implies that the older Trojans still do. The fact that they are fired on and fought against, while they do not hurt the Latins purposefully in return (except out of defense, so not really intentionally), shows an incredible amount of self-control and loyalty to Aeneas.
If anything, this reading proved that the Trojans are better people that the Latins, who we ahve been encouraged to agree with throughout the reading so far.
3. How are Turnus's actions in this reading typical of Turnus?
Turnus, although dishonestly, is perfectly willing to accept and play up the role of a youthful, powerful new leader for his people: despite the fact that his only real intention is total power over Greece, and he will achieve this by just about any means necessary. Turnus is not a youthful liberator who has come to Greece to "stand up against them" (invaders). Turnus is a dishonest, lustful, and power-hungry man.
3. How are Turnus's actions in this reading typical of Turnus?
Turnus shuts to people to open the door of the War Gate, and when the door gets opened, he came through and the people sang and danced because of the opened door. I think it was typical of Turnus because he is kind of overacting and confident man. In the book it said that if Lavinia gets married to other men, than Turnus might start a war which made Lavinia to consider marrying Turnus. I also think because Turus has a lot of power, he might think that it's okay for him to just order people to do things.
5. Generally, does Amata, Lavinia's mother, act well or badly during the time covered in this reading?
Generally Amata acts badly in this reading. I mean when does she really ever act nice? But she locks herself up in the palace while the war is going on. She doesnt even come down to help the wounded soldiers. She is just concerned with what she wants. Selfishness is displayed through her quite well in this reading. She also goes to the king and demands that he stop this nonsense and have Lavinia marry Turnus. She was ordering the king what to do, and that was a very bad thing to do. He got angry with her and pushed her away while yelling at her and in the end Amamta had lost.
Demi and Ka Yeon(kai's computer screen broke)
Question #3
How are Turnus's actions in this reading typical of Turnus?
Turnus' actions in the reading are typical of turnus mainly because of the underlying meaning that he wants to "help" or accept being leader. The absolute only reason he wants to become a new and young leader for his people is because he wants to trick them into the idea that he will be a great leader. He is a dishonest and untrustworthy man because all he really want to do is gain total power over Greece. He is like a tyrant in this way,
4. Rufus Anso is wounded and brought into the courtyard of the king's palace which is being used as a hospital. Why might the author have included the Rufus Anso part (133)?
The author might have included this part to show Lavinia that sometimes, ones expectations don't always have the outcome that is wanted. It was also giving her a real aspect on the way of life. Showing Lavinia the simple problems that of life can occur. The main reason for this incident occurring is to teach Lavinia a lesson since he is in fact the same age as her and has gotten wounded, and later died. It just goes to show her the miseries in life, and to be aware and careful of what she looks to in the future.
Yeena Sung( I'm using Demi's computer)
5. Generally, does Amata, Lavinia's mother, act well or badly during the time covered in this reading?
I agree with Christy. Generally Amata behaves badly to show that she is unhappy with Lavinia’s behavior how she is determined not to marry Turnus. This shows when she doesn’t go to help the wounded soldiers and also when she has a quarrel with Lavinia and Latinus. It was a quarrel about how she wanted Lavinia to marry Turnus and finally, Latinus had to stop her by telling her that, that would never happen to Lavinia and also to her. However, I felt a bit bad for her in a way that she can’t marry someone who she is obsessed with but mostly, she was acting bad.
Heather Rhee
Q5
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I agree with Christy. I think there is no part which can support Amata's kindness in the whole book. Her personality had been changed mean because of the death of her two sons. She acts mean to her husband and to Lavinia and makes Lavinia to act in a becareful way all the time. She forces her thinkings no matter what others says to her. For example, she lied to Lavinia and pretended to have a festival to make Turnus and Lavinia to get married.
Thus, she is a bad chracter in this reading.
The only part of her which I can understand was that she cares about Lavinia so much. She always asks Lavinia to stay at home and she plans all the things for her. It was a little bit too much and too forceful but it still showed that she at least takes care about her daughter like every other mothers does.
#1,
Ascanius, Aeneas' son, features in this reading on p. 132 and 135. What do you think of his behavior and words? Why?
I don't think Ascanius is a smart boy or at least would be if he stoped worrying so much. He needs to be more self confident and sure of himself. He seems to rely on his father too much which is understandable because his father is considered a great worrier but I think if he really wants his father's approval maybe being brave would e the answer although his father dosen't seem the type to let mistakes happen without consequence if they happened because of a stupid reason.
Sang Eun
1. Ascanius, Aeneas' son, features in this reading on p. 132 and 135. What do you think of his behavior and words? Why?
Young Ascanius was wild to make a sally and chase the Latins off, but Aeneas had left orders that if attacked they were not to attack.
Distressed over the loss of the ships, craving his father's presence and support, Ascanius sent the pair out heaped with praise and promises. When Aeneas came back and won the war, he said, Euryalus would receive all the lands belonging to King Latinus as a reward, and twelve Latin matrons to use as he pleased.
I think Ascanius is very active and wild like how usual boys are. Unlike his father, he is not serious, but does think about their situation in Latium important and serious. He seems to be obeying his father very well because he is not acting too naughty. Ascanius is being considerate of his father and supports the father well by his side. By his active and lively behaviors, he is making his father to be delightful. He doesn't seem like to be good at fighting like his father who was the warrior. However, it is sure that he is a good son of Aeneas.
2. Generally, do the Trojans behave badly or well in this reading? Explain.
- There is a part where it says how Trojans behave to the Latium people. In page 33, when the Latium people taunts them to come out and fight, the Trojans threw little darts and javelins that are used in athletic events to drive them away. I guess Trojans treated Latium people softly and well because Aeneas didn't have want to have a war with the Latium people.
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