A depiction of Aeneas' shield
1. Put into words what is bad about Turnus's treatment of Pallas, the son of Evander, a nearby king who had agrred to be an ally of Aeneas' (142-143)
2. In response to Turnus' treatment of Pallas, Aeneas experiences "the fury" (143). Does his killing frenzy make him seem like a bad man? If not, how are we to interpret it?
3. Does Aeneas' offer to settle things through one-on-one, man-to-man combat with Turnus (146) seem fair and right, or not? Explain.
4. Latinus almost gets his country's leaders to agree to stop fighting (149) but Drances makes things go wrong (1490-150)--explain how.
5. Who acts most like a queen on p. 151--Amata, Lavinia, or Juturna? Explain.
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5. Who acts most like a queen on p. 151--Amata, Lavinia, or Juturna? Explain.
On page 151, Amata acts most like a Queen because she tells Lavinia that they should show themselves to people for reassurance. Because, the king was hiding and the enemy was attacking, Amata thought that they should calm the people down. Also when they walked through the streets presenting themselves to others, Amata walked in front of Lavinia and "lightened the incense" but Lavinia in her mind says that she was the one who knows how to speak in front of people because she used to hear her father speaking and also this makes me think that because Amata was usually not there to hear the King speaking she might think that it was her who has to speak. In conclusion, I think that Amata is acting most like a Queen because she took the responsibility of talking to the people and going in front of people. Unlike the times when she acted like a little child, this time I think, was the time when she really acted like a queen not like a little child who has complains.
1. Put into words what is bad about Turnus's treatment of Pallas, the son of Evander, a nearby king who had agrred to be an ally of Aeneas' (142-143)
Well, Turnus is a total jerk. I just want to put that out there. His issue was with Pallas's father, who allied with Aeneas, but he sill fought Pallas. Sure, Pallas was the one who engaged Turnus in the fight, but Turnus was the more powerful, and he could have turned down the young man. How easy it is for Turnus to kill Pallas is unfair. He "killed him with one awful blow" so he knew he could win. There WAS NO FIGHT! Turnus should have killed Evander if he was the one he was upset with.
Also, once Turnus kills Pallas, he tears off his weapon belt. It's "gold-plated" meaning valuable, and it's something that served Pallas in battle. If there was something he loved, it was probably his gold weapon belt. I'm just saying, for Turnus to kill a boy who he knows can't fight him then to take the thing symbolizing that boy's honor is wrong.
Turnus is self-centered, not caring for the families of the people he kills. All he sees his his power becoming greater. This proves also that he never loved Lavinia. He doesn't care about anyone but himself. He robbed a loyal, dying boy of his honor after killing him ruthlessly and when his fault was with his father. Turnus is a total JERK!
Also, because he killed the heir of Evander's thrown, when he kills Evander, it will be all the easier for him to take over that kingdom, too, and become more powerful.
Turnus dishonors him, and that is in NO WAY justified!
Yeena
2. In response to Turnus' treatment of Pallas, Aeneas experiences "the fury" (143). Does his killing frenzy make him seem like a bad man? If not, how are we to interpret it?
I think when Aeneas experiences “the fury”, he is being a bad man. Even though he was mad that Pallas died, he shouldn’t have killed other men except Turnus. Turnus was the one who killed Pallas and in order to be a bit fair in the fight, he shouldn’t have killed innocent lives that didn’t motivate him to get so mad. Also, it made me think that he was a bad man in this scene in a way that he didn’t respect the elder and the relationship between a father and a son. It is true that things like these don’t matter in the war for it is all about killing and fighting each other. However, like I said, he and his son were also innocent of making him experience “the fury”. I believe that if he only killed Turnus, I wouldn’t have thought that he was a bad man but because he killed other lives, that makes him a bad man in the scene.
5. Who acts most like a queen on p. 151--Amata, Lavinia, or Juturna? Explain.
I have a different opinion of those of Ji Yoon’s. I believe that women weren’t considered much at the time of the book and so, even though when you were a queen, you didn’t get as much as respect from others and couldn’t let out their opinions. That is one of the reasons that Amata can’t ask Latinus for a divorce and when she has a quarrel with him, he stops Amata from talking. So, the person who was acting like a queen wasn’t Lavinia because she was letting out her opinions as if she were a man at that time. In addition, I believe that it was Juturna who acted like a queen because she listened to Amata and Lavinia without complaining and she was very elegant.
5. Who acts most like a queen on p. 151--Amata, Lavinia, or Juturna? Explain.
Lavinia is the character acting as the mother in this part of the story: in an extremely dark, frightening time for her and her people, and she deals with this in an impressively regal and contained manner. Instead of allowing herself to be dragged around, roughed up and mentally abused by her unstable mother, Lavinia decides to take charge of the situation, even going so far as to command Juturna to accompany her, when she herself admits she has “no business giving orders to a king’s sister”. Overall, this truly displays that Lavinia has striking leadership qualities- she is the one truly acting like a queen in this reading.
Ka Yeon Nam
Question 5
Who acts most like a queen on p. 151--Amata, Lavinia, or Juturna? Explain.
I agree with David. When the time is hard for the people in Lavinia's town, even though she is only the daughter of the King, she deals everything thoughtfully, trying to help the people and doing what she thinks is right. She calls order and acts most like a queen.
Sang Eun
3. Does Aeneas' offer to settle things through one-on-one, man-to-man combat with Turnus (146) seem fair and right, or not? Explain.
'You ask peace for the dead: I would grant it to the living, if I could! Why are we at war? If Turnus will not honor his king's treaty, if he wants to drive us out of Latium, then let him alone meet me alone with sword in hand. We two could have spared all these deaths!'
I think that Aeneas' offer of the combat with Turnus seems to be fair and right, because Aeneas is thinking that it is unfair for other people who are not related in this battle to die. Even the people are the soldiers or devoted their lives in fighting for their countries, they are not the ones who caused this battle. Thus, they are not responsible and if they are to die in the war, it is not fair to them. Therefore, Aeneas is trying to make things clear between just the two, Turnus and himself. I think the way Turnus is doing in order to take over Latium as his kingdom which is his only purpose is not right. Turnus is trying to gather up the people who are against Aeneas' side and his actions are also going against the king. Therefore, I consider that combat with just Aeneas and Turnus can solve the problem instead of having other innocent people to get involved in the fight. Also, in this way, things will be solved easily and quickly.
5. Who acts most like a queen on p. 151--Amata, Lavinia, or Juturna? Explain.
I believe that Amata is the one who acts most like a queen surprisingly. She is the one who recognized that the people were scared and needed reassurance since the king was not going to reassure them. She took the initiative and did what was suppose to be done when the king was not able to. She also did it in a respectful way that a true queen would do. She did not demand it. She was showing true concern for her people and that's all a queen should do, be concerned for her people's safety.
5. Who acts most like a queen on p. 151--Amata, Lavinia, or Juturna? Explain.
I feel that Lavinia is the women who acts most like s queen.
"When we came to the place there was a great crowd around us. Amata had walked ahead, and she lighted the incense, but it was I who had stood with the king before this altar one hundred times, and it was I who knew and spoke the words he used to speak, offering the people's duty and honor to the Lar the spirit and indwelling power of border and boundary, walled city, place of our people." pg 151
One might believe that Amata is taking power by lighting the incense and walking ahead of the crowd of women. But this is not the case, because, Lavinia is in fact the one who retains the power and leadership for this event. She speaks of herself as the only one who had been to the altar, with the king, viewing and knowing all his skills to power and persuasion. She is the voice of this gathering, speaking herself at the altar, like her father, acting and replacing the occupation of her mother, as queen. The reason for this is because she takes power and the respect earned from the surrounding women such as bows of their heads and more and more women that began to gather to listen to her speak and her words of wisdom. The reason that Juturna is not a queen-like figure in this gathering is because she is very silent, and just follows the 2 of them due to Lavinia's advice of her joining Amata and Lavinia. There is not much mentioned on Amata, only that she lit the incense, although she might have stood there like a queen, the text does not specify this.
Sung Kun Kim
4. Latinus almost gets his country's leaders to agree to stop fighting (149) but Drances makes things go wrong (1490-150)--explain how.
- Latinus explains to the counsellors that the fight is because of their fault and that they are doing the battle they can't win. The counsellors thought of it because they knew their king is not a man who would surrender easily. But then Drances stands up and tells Turnus that " the war was his doing, the defeat was his doing, and it was up to him to end it -unless he was so smitten with glory and so lustful for the dowry of a king's daughter that he would lead our armies out again, leaving our worthless lives scattered over the fields unburied, unwept, unknown. But if you dad any real courage at all, you'd stand up to the man who challenged you!" Turnus hears this and gets mad. Then someone calls out that the Trojans are advancing to the city. This is how the fighting starts again with Turnus's rage because of Drances.
Heather Rhee
Q 2
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I agree with Yeena that Aneas is a bad man. I think killing someone is a bad thing to do even though the one who is killed did a bad thing nor the killer was so mad. Personally, I think murdering is the worst thing to do because it not only kills the person but also kills both hope,dream and the people who loved the person at the same time. I know that the story was related the war and the fct that someone was killed makes sence. However, like Yeena said, killing Turnus was alrealy enough for him.
People who can't control thier feelings and hurts others are rude and not responsible in my opinion. Thus, he is a bad person for me.
Answer to #2:
"He killed men along the way, left and right, ruthless and relentless. He was the mad dog among sheep now."
Aeneas's killing frenzy seems to be an overly violent reaction to the death of Pallas. Although this does not make him a bad man, this would make him seem so. Even though we all know that killing is bad, it must be accepted that this is a war. In addition, it is evident that Aeneas was overwrought with grief, provoking this sudden outburst of rage. So in this sense, we should interpret this frenzy as a mindless killing yes, but also that it was caused by the cruel death of Pallas.
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